
Kimsooja
Breathing Life into Oneself
ZOE GUY: How do you endure during these challenging times? I know that art can be a place where people can ask questions and maybe even find answers. But you personally, how do you deal with all of these changes?
JOHN AKOMFRAH: I think my welfare has been tied to the pandemic in all kinds of complicated ways, and it has gone through phases over the last two years. So, in the beginning, I was terrified because I’d had pneumonia just before the first wave, and I thought, “Hmm, I’m really good material for this virus.” So my response was to go into flight mode. We closed the studio and battened down the hatches. I didn’t leave home for four or five months. And since then, I’ve been more courageous because I realized that all kinds of survival strategies that I can use would just keep me safe, which made it possible to both be in bunker mode and see other spaces. For instance, I went to Ghana and got a chance to see how others were dealing with this. And I’m glad I did that. It’s given me a sense of proportion, and it hasn’t felt quite as apocalyptic. I was there because my aunt passed away and went to bury her because it was my responsibility. I went with a certain kind of trepidation because I expected the situation to be worse, but when I got there, the exact opposite was the case. Just about everywhere I went, people masked up. So, I thought, “Okay, yeah, this is good.”
ZG: Did you get any inspiration from that bunker mode? Did the way you think about art change?
JA: The first thing that changed was the realization that if you are a location-based [artist], you may not be able to produce anymore. If your work requires you to be at specific locations to get material—whether to shoot a video or photography—you suddenly realize that you have to shift focus in order to continue to work. I came back from Vancouver Island just before the pandemic [for scouting], but I couldn’t return for literally months afterward. And then that was it. And now I’m not sure whether I could go back because the whole project is now changed. I’m not even sure if it’s desirable.
ZG: You even have to think about restrictions on not only crossing the border, but also once you’re there, the mandatory quarantine, and if you get sick, whether you will be stuck there. There are so many more questions now that we didn’t have to think about before.
JA: And then there are all kinds of ethical dimensions to these questions as well.
ZG: I’m often thinking about the control you have yourself as a filmmaker. We know that the camera allegedly documents the world as it is, but it’s also this highly mediated space because you’re pointing the camera, you’re deciding how to manipulate the image, you’re deciding how to edit the image, you’re choosing how to sound the idea. How do ethics influence your filmmaking practice with all those things in mind?
JA: I’ve been obsessed with the question of indexicality because it’s the gateway to dealing with this question of the ethical and the moving image, for me. Because once the realization of the time becomes important in your understanding of moving image work, then you necessarily become aware of your collusion, your investments, and your alignments with the temporal, either in how you make things, how you watch them, or how you are allowed access to it.
The question of the indexical was essential to me, not in the semiotics way, but in a much more humanist and ethical way, because it essentially allowed me to access questions of agency. It allowed me to see the manifold complexities of agency at stake in both what I am allowed to do, what I do, and what I get to see. The ethical place is like a police force in this field of relations managing things, but it also alerted me to how things are being managed. As an artist of color, you come into the moving image space—especially with documentary—aware that there are boundaries and borders to what you do. Before you make anything, you’ve already seen quite a bit, most of which you kind of don’t like and quite a lot of which you do like, but you can see that it has very little space in its imaginings with your presence. There is a double move that I find intriguing in the presence of ethics in my work—a realization that I could do this and that we could make films. At the same time, you realize that there are real needs for people like you to do this. And those needs don’t go away. There is still something to be said for George Floyd, there is still something needed to say for a black woman who was in her house and who got this Kafkaesque invasion into her life and five minutes before that, she had no idea that this was what was coming to her. Who speaks to these things? Who talks about this? How do we make sense of it in our culture?
ZG: Taking up these images, appropriating them, and arranging them in the way that you do can almost be a secret weapon to get people to think about things in a more holistic way. I’m interested in what you said in one of your previous interviews. You said, “taking up the camera with a kind of shield.” From what I understood, you meant it was kind of a shield from the white cinematic and the white artistic tradition. How did taking up the camera, becoming an artist and filmmaker, shield you?
JA: I think there are certain revelatory moments in one’s encounter with the cinematic. And those revelations involve realizing that it can speak real profundity about life, time, the accident and tragedy, romance, that is incredible. But for it to do that, you also have to embrace it in its totality. And the process of the embrace can be painful because you’re then taking on imagery and narratives that are not great. Not great in what they say about race, sexuality, gender, or nationality. And so part of the shielding that I’m talking about, the process of closing oneself against this, is then choosing to make things for yourself. I think that’s what I probably meant, and that is what I would say. I know what it takes to both declare love for something while being there and refuse some of its excesses simultaneously. It’s a bit like that Fanonian moment.
<Read the full interview from Issue Four>
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